Wednesday, July 6, 2011

An explanation/note in support of preistly celibacy part 2

2. Priestly celibacy creates, or attracts perverts and pedophiles. (continued from yesterday)

One expert in pedophilia, Dr. John Bradford, "estimates its [pedophilia's] prevalence at maybe four percent of the population" (John Cloud, "Pedophilia," Time, April 29, 2002).

Consider that nationwide, an average of 3 to 6 percent of priest per diocese were even ACCUSED of anything. Next the John Jay report says that 78.2 percent of those reported cases of sexual misconduct involved children over the age of 11.

There is nothing defensible in these stats, I am only trying to show that we we hear and read is misleading.

(From FreeRepublic) In his book Pedophiles and Priests, Prof. Philip Jenkins—a Protestant and an expert in the subject of pedophilia—stated, "The most-quoted survey of sexual problems among Protestant clergy states that some ten percent are involved in sexual misconduct of some kind, and that 'about two or three percent' are pedophiles, a rate equal or higher than that suggested for Catholic priests. These figures should be viewed skeptically; the methodology on which they are based is not clear, and they seem to rely disproportionately on individuals already in therapy. However, it is striking to find such a relatively high number suggested for both celibate and non-celibate clergy" (pp. 50-51).

IF in fact the rates are similar between unmarried Catholic priests and able to marry Protestant ministers, that says something. Maybe creepers are attracted to Christian ministry, but I doubt that as well given the low percentages.


3. A married priesthood would do a better job.
On this one I don't have numbers or the Bible to back me up 100 percent. It's mostly just my thoughts but I disagree.

While it is true that some of the priest's functions could carry more weight, or appear more relateable if he were married, I believe the gains are worth less than what would be lost.

Priests often counsel young couples preparing to marry and some counsel marriage in trouble. During confessions, a priest likely comes into situations where he must advise someone who's been unfaithful or is otherwise having marital problems.

In those cases, some argue, a priest could do a better job of advising because of the first hand experience and his advice would carry more weight because the one listening would know he'd been through some of the same.

I agree to a point. A married priest is more relateable to a married person. Also, a married priest would accumulate experience that an unmarried one does not.

Neither is of tantamount importance to his function though. In all these cases the priest is called on to give guidance based on the scripture and Church teaching. In many ways here he is like a lawyer/judge. The situation is explained to him and he is required to advise based on The Law, not based on empathy. His ability to understand those things is not at odds with his being unmarried.

On the contrary, it's the opposite. I think it's a fair thing to say that single people have an opportunity to be better at their jobs than married folks or those who are single but have kids. It doesn't always work that way of course.

Consider this. A male lawyer is single. He is working his way up the ladder by working late almost every night. He can do this indefinitely, focusing all his time and effort toward the firm.

Here from a British priest is a typical weekday:
"My alarm normally goes off at 7.00 am. After shower and shave and breakfast I am in Church by 8.45 am. I then spend 30 minutes in meditation on the Gospel so that I am ready to deliver the homily...

Now I have to decide my priorities - there may be a funeral to conduct, or a visit to the local hospital. More often it might be a visit to the local Catholic schools to do an assembly, or to celebrate a class Mass or hear confessions. I also need to be in touch with the parish secretary - there are letters to be written and meetings to be be arranged (such as 1st Holy Communion or Confirmation with parents), There may also be crisis meetings that push everything else to a lower priority - someone's marriage is in trouble, or there has been a tragedy such as the death of a parishioner or the hospital calls because there is a new-born baby in the emergency room with a serious health issue. By the time I get back to the presbytery, there are usually phone messages to deal with and the mail needs to be tackled."

All of that is described before lunch.

When a call comes in on the emergency line, a priest needs to be able to skip the birthday of a his son (if he had one) to baptize an ill child at the hospital or to not be home for a marriage anniversary because the bishop has sent him to a conference etc.

Sure other jobs are equally if not more taxing, but no one is on call for life. There is no real retirement for priests either. It's all serving God, with one day off a week if you're lucky.

That is why an unmarried priesthood is best. A wife deserves to be a man's focus. A good priest cannot give a wife that focus. His aim is to serve God and the Church, and the parishioners are his family.

I'm not saying there aren't women who could put up with this and priests who could make this work, but they shouldn't have too. It's better the way it is.

12 comments:

  1. I suppose if the priest has such a busy day, then he must have very little time to lament over how lonely life can be without a significant other.

    Here's a question for you. Are priests allowed to date or have girlfriends? The keyword of this whole issue is always marriage, but I never see any mention of any other form of male/female relationships.

    By the way, I eagerly await a response in your "Faith or Freedom" blog.

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  2. I have personally known a few priests. They don't describe it as a lonely existence. There is a great deal of fellowship among priests. They lean on each other for support and also they have friends and family. Their parish is an extended family as well and they get to serve God in a very special way.

    I don't know for sure but I'm guessing no a priest cannot date or have a girlfriend because the purpose of such interaction is to find a suitable spouse. Also, they couldn't have sex of course since they aren't married.

    A relatively famous priest was recently forced from ministry when the fact that he'd been having a relationship with a woman became public so of course it sometimes happens in secret.

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  3. But I should add, while they don't consider it lonely, it isn't easy. It's a choice they've made to respond to God's call.

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  4. I'm referring to the type of loneliness that can only be alleviated by having a significant other in your life. Yes, it's good that they have company, but they are forbade from having a truly intimate relationship.

    And I can not imagine never having sex. Or even living a life devoid of the soft embrace of a woman. I think I would go mad.

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  5. Intimate relationships are possible without a sexual aspect. I imagine many priests have close intimate relationships that don't cross that line. And others, sadly, can't keep from crossing it.

    I think I would go mad too, but then I wasn't called to be a priest, my money says neither were you. Scripture says not everyone can handle this. We fit that bill.

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  6. A couple of points:

    1. I challenge the notion that a married priesthood would create a situation where both Church and family are cheated out of 100% devotion by the priest in question. This is completely besides the point. No one brings up such a situation for someone like a doctor or fireman, which are both demanding careers which require a person to be on call most of the time. If a doctor finds no time away from work for his family, or vice versa, we do not question the choice of raising a family, or going to medical school do we? No, we question the man's ability to balance work and home. This is something that we all must struggle to work out. It is no different for the clergy.

    Your example of a priest missing his kid's birthday because someone is having a personal crisis and demands aid, is to me, very thin. It would require very little effort to arrange a system of backups to handle most such extraordinary circumstances, so that a man can get away for an afternoon, or a day, or even a week long vacation or sabbatical. This does not seem like a controvertional or radical notion...

    2. I would think that having a spouse and family would help a clergyman better relate to his congregation, and understand their challanges. Rather than cloister oneself completely from the rest of the world, and live in an alternate lifestyle with other such men who are not allowed "normal" relations with women, it would seem healthier and generally more commonsense to have a clergy "close to the ground" rather than in an "ivory tower", if you will.

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  7. I disagree of course. The priest isn't supposed to have what doctors/firemen etc. have where he splits his work and personal life. His is one life. The collar doesn't come off (figuratively).

    I admit the stretch of those examples. Yes there can be backups and what not but as I said, a priest is on duty 24/7 from ordination until death. That should be his priority. If he marries and has a family, it's not impossible for him to fufill his obligations, but it's harder.

    Also, it's just my opinion but as I state in the blog, I think all else being equal a single person has an opportunity to be much better at their job no matter the profession.

    As for the ivory tower, in this sense I'm not so sure. Priests have to hold to the allegedly unattainable. They advise and teach from the absolute high standard. I think for religion, that's a good thing.

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  8. If all priests were were counselors, I'd agree that a married clergy would be best, but that's not their only, or even I would argue, main function.

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  9. This is usually the point in a disagreement where it comes down to blood contest.

    The equivilant here is seeing which system works better in the real world. I for one hope that the Catholic Church sticks to it's guns and does not change. I'd rather see it dwindle and eventually go extinct (granted, that would take centuries), than adapt and survive.

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  10. If, we're right, and we believe we are, we'll be here as long as the world lives my friend.

    Antagonizing others the whole way lol

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  11. I would also challenge the notion that because a priest does not have a wife, that means that his "collar never comes off". A priest, while unable to marry, may still enter into situations where his collar kinda comes off. He can go out to a movie, he can socialize with old friends, he can maintain deep friendships with lay persons. Not so? So if his collar is still on, even outside of the chuch, why is it that it must come off in a marriage? Why is that on such a different level? Just not having a wife does not mean that he is required to spend his entire life, every waking minute in prayer, contemplation and service.

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  12. I think you misunderstand what the priesthood is to some degree.

    It's a vocation, similar to marriage. I am a married person, I am married weather I am at work or hanging out with you or Jeff or my folks or watching Green Lantern etc. I am always and perpetually in my marriage.

    That affects my actions at all times and hopefully my thoughts as well. At no time do I assume the role of unmarried.

    Same with the priest.

    Since many priests actually wear the collar when out socially, they aren't going to be seen at say the film "Priest" or "American Pie." Not just because it would look bad, but because their higher calling means they hold themselves to a higher standard.

    When he's hanging with his friends, even say his pre-ordination buddies, he can't go to the strip club or even say too raunchy of a bachelor party and while he's at it he's supposed to be telling said friends they're on a bad path etc.

    So it really never comes off.

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